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The Rajasthan Story Of Caste Politics.

May 31, 2007 By: Polite Indian Category: Dausa, Quota Reservations, Caste, Reservations 13 Comments →

What is happening in Rajasthan is pretty shameful but not unexpected. The Gurjars have come out on the streets and their demand is that their OBC status be changed to ST. The protests have turned violent and as usual loss of life and public property follows. This includes pelting stone, burning police stations, road blocs and what not.

While the Gurjars are protesting to be included in the ST category, The Meena community is protesting against it. They have vowed to not let this inclusion happen as they are the only community classified as ST in Rajasthan.

What do you make of all this?

In my view this is happening for two reasons. One is Caste based identity Politics and the other is Quota Reservations. Because of Caste politics people vote en bloc as a community and they benefit as a bloc. This is what happened when jats in Rajasthan were granted OBC status. Since they are powerful and well off they kind of cornered the benefit of reservations. The gurjars, that has an OBC status was later promised ST status by BJP. The community voted and BJP came to power. The Gurjars now want the promise fulfilled. Apart from reservations the gurjars have another reason to protest. They have had very less political representation throughout Rajasthan except Dausa. Dausa is perhaps the only place where they have any political clout. When they learnt that Dausa was being converted into a reserved seat their patience ran out with BJP and they have come on the streets. Now if Gurjars get included as ST then the other ST community Meena suffers because someone else will come to share the ST reservation pie. Hence they protest to maintain their exclusive benefits. All of this is ridiculous but not unexpected. Looks like group assertion in India has become the only way to achieve any kind of benefit. This is a sad situation but is Muscle power of the community the only way to get social justice?

These events also bring out a big short coming of the entire social justice programme based on reservations. Many have been arguing all along the futility of implementing such huge programmes without solid data backing them. With incidents like these one can not help but doubt the fairness of the reservation system. The entire ad hoc classification process of communities as OBCs has to stop. The government needs to collect data and clearly define criteria based on which a community can be given a particuar status. It should also tackle the issue of creamy layer otherwise what is happening between different communities will get repeated within the same communities. Thereafter will come the quotas within quotas and so on.

Pratab Bhanu Mehta has an excellent take on the whole issue.

I personally feel it is time to revamp the whole reservation system with something new.

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Reservations based on a Deprivation Certificate and a Deprivation Score

May 14, 2007 By: Polite Indian Category: Quota Reservations, Caste, Reservations 10 Comments →

One of the comments on this post is the basis of this post.

Since the announcement of reservations for OBCs by the HRD ministry in last May, we have seen lot of ideas/discussions from either side of the reservation debate. Out of all this I have been trying to think how and if can caste be removed from the forefront of all this.

What constitutes on OBC has always been at the core of the discussion in most cases. Hopping around the blogosphere I have come across some of these questions.

  1. Who is an OBC?
  2. Why is such and such caste an OBC?
  3. How can such and such caste and the other caste be lumped together? That is equal treatment of unequals.
  4. How come a rich OBC’s son deserves reservation compared to a poor upper caste kid?
  5. What about reservations for women?
  6. What about reservations for Muslims? Or religious minorities?

And there are many more.

At this point I would liked to throw in the idea of a deprivation certificate and deprivation score as the basis of providing reservations.

Deprivation Certificate(DC) would be a certificate with the certificate holder’s identification and a deprivation score. Here are some key points.

  1. Everybody(no matter what caste, creed, sex, race or religion ) is required to obtain a DC from the govt. very much like a birth certificate.
  2. A DC would be a required document for admission to educational institutes and jobs.
  3. The Score will be calculated based on many different criteria. I will throw in a few, feel free to add/remove more
    • Caste
    • Family History
    • Gender
    • Economic Status
    • Geographical region
    • Religion
  4. The Score will be valid for a period of say 5 years and after that it must be re-calculated. This is necessary because the score depends on factors that are not constant.
  5. Every criterion would carry a certain weight. How much? I guess that is the tough question that would have to be answered. But the thing is that the weight can also be revised over a period of time. For example, caste could carry more weight than economic status. Or even one caste could have more weight than the other.

Reservations based on DC and the score would fill the non reserved seats from everybody based on the merit and the reserved seat would be filled based on the score and merit. In the case of two candidates with same marks and different deprivation scores, the candidate with higher deprivation score would get the seat.

Benefits

The biggest benefit of this, in my view, would be the elimination of the caste and its name from the fore front. Yes the caste will still be a factor but just by looking at the score one cannot make out whether the score is of a lower caste person or a person with a poor background or a religious minority or what not. A poor brahmin and a well to do OBC could end up having the same score.

It addresses the creamy layer issue as well.

Another benefit would be that it is an all inclusive framework that would take care of women, religious minorities and every other inequalities that we could think of.

It  allows for grading different criteria by allocating weights to each.

In this scheme of things an individual can be evaluated on his/her own merit and the biggest thing is everybody by applying for the DC and the D-Score will essentially have to prove that he or she is deprived and the score will reflect that. The re-evaluation of score leave room for people to move out of the benefit net.

OBC Reservations - Supreme Court Verdict

March 30, 2007 By: Polite Indian Category: Quota Reservations, Reservations 16 Comments →

The Supreme court has stayed the implementation of the OBC reservation in its current form.

The Court ruled that the 1931 census could not be a determinative factor for identifying the OBCs for the purpose of providing reservation.

I personally see this as being a good thing in the light of the recent developments. This means that govt will have to first do a study to identify the OBCs and then come up with a proposal. Such a thing is absolutely necessary for a program of this magnitude. As in the past the legislature could have legislated against such a decision and put it in the ninth schedule. But the supreme court recently ruled that anything placed in the ninth schedule is also subject to review.

Difference between reservations for SC/ST and OBCs.

This verdict does not mean that reservations of any kind should be stopped. However there is a huge difference between the reservations for SC/ST and the OBCs. The SC/STs are provided reservation because they have suffered for being SC/ST. Hence they are provided reservations based on the single criteria that they are SC/ST. No other criteria is needed because that one criteria is sufficient. Having said that I believe that even that program can be improved. This program, for all its shortcomings, has worked for SC/STs. It has had its success.

For the OBCs, the reservations are based on the fact that they are socially and educationally backward. If someone needs to get benefited by this program, he needs to be identified and proven that he is backward. For that one needs to collect data. As realitycheck has always pointed out that one needs to identify the beneficiaries in order for a program of this scale to succeed. The Supreme court has basically said the same thing about the data that was collected in 1931. The supreme court has not said NO to reservations. It has asked the govt to prove that the people who will benefit from this are really OBCs. Once the govt. gets into the exercise of identifying the OBCs there will be lot of political repercussions to these. That should be interesting to watch in the coming days.

Verdict like these and proper dealing of the issue of creamy layer would go a long way to ensure that the beneficiaries of this program are the ones that really need it.

cross posted at the Great Indian Mutiny

Creamy Layer Update

December 03, 2006 By: Polite Indian Category: Creamy Layer, Quota Reservations, Reservations 25 Comments →

Hindu reports

In probably the first acceptance of the creamy layer concept by the political establishment, a Parliamentary Committee has recommended preference in reservation for the non-creamy layer of OBC candidates in government-aided institutions of higher learning.

The Parliamentary Standing Committee on HRD has recommended that the “first instance reservation should be given to the non-creamy layer of OBC candidates”. After admitting such non-creamy layer candidates, if OBC vacancies remain unfilled, these may be filled up from the creamy layer in order of merit,” the report on the Central Educational Institutions (Reservation in Admission) Bill 2006, placed in the Rajya Sabha said

Link via Krish.

The recommendation of the Standing Committee is exactly what I had said before.

If this suggestion is adopted it will definitely be a step in the right direction. However, I don’t know if the Supreme court can still strike it down and insist on complete exclusion of the creamy layer.

Also if this suggestion does get implemented I would recommend all the applicants from non creamy layer who do not get admission/job to make use of RTI to ensure that there was no fould play.

All in all a good suggestion.

Creamy Layer…What about them?

October 24, 2006 By: Polite Indian Category: Caste System, Quota Reservations, Caste, Reservations 19 Comments →

Ever Since the Supreme Court made the decision about Creamy Layer from SC/ST being excluded from the purview of benefits of reservation, Creamy layer is doing its round of news and analysis. To understand what and who is a creamy layer go here.

Seems like almost all the political parties are united in their stand against the SC order. An Article in Hindu (link via krish) goes in depth trying to explain why Creamy layer concept is an invalid concept

The concept of creamy layer obfuscates the fact of caste discrimination within institutions of education, employment, and justice.

My personal stand is that Creamy Layer should be excluded from the purview of reservation benefits. One of the main reason is as I explained here. There are other reasons why they should be excluded.

Let us understand why we run social justice programmes? We run these programmes to enable the socially backward classes of the society to be able to have opportunities, which would otherwise be inacessible to them. Now every social justice program has to have end goal.

In the case of reservations what is the end goal? In my view, as I have argued elsewhere, reservations help provide the economic justice which in turn may or may not provide the required social justice.I have my doubts but let’s stick to the economic aspect of the reservations programme. So how do you measure whether someone has benefittedfrom the programme or not? … By looking at the economic indicators. As time passes, the people who have benefitted from the programme and have been enabled should make way for the remaining underprivileged. If we do not have a provision to move people out of the underprivileged category once they have benefitted, these benefits will be cornered by them for time eternal. The reason being they would be better placed than their economically weaker counterparts.

And if the social justice programmes does not provide one to get out of the disability that it was trying to address, what good is the programme in the first place? If it did help someone get rid of that disability what good is it to continue providing the benefit?

But what about representation?

I agree this is one of the problems. Even today all the SC/ST seats don’t get filled and if we exclude the Creamy layer even more might remain unfilled. This will be a serious drawback of the supreme court judgement. This problem in my view can be tackled in two steps, independent of each other.

First, we need to provide basic education to the SC/ST/OBC students so that we have more people from the non-creamy layer to fill the seats.

Second we should fill the seats in reserved category in two steps. First the SC/ST/OBCs from the non-creamy layer be given preference. If after that seats are still vacant then we should fill them candidates from the Creamy Layer SC/ST/OBC category.

This arrangement would in my view achieve the desired goal. It would bring more people in the benefit net from the underpriviliged category and if there aren’t enough we solve the representation issue by allowing the priviliged SC/ST/OBCs to fill the seats.

Myth Of the “Myth Of Merit” - Reservation Context

August 21, 2006 By: Polite Indian Category: Quota Reservations, Reservations, India 2 Comments →

A lot of emminent bloggers have blogged about the “myth of merit”. This attitude towards meritrocracy has emerged after the announcement of 27% reservations for OBCs in the “elite institutions” by HRD minister Arjun Singh.

The current criterion of merit has been ridiculed over and over to emphasize that “merit” as we see it is not good enough and hence if anybody not so “meritorious” gets admitted to the Institute,it will not in any way affect the quality of students produced from the Institutes. The IITs are a prime target for this kind of reasoning.

What I want to ask people ridiculing merit, is …

  1. Is the current definition of “merit” resulting in the relative backwardness of the BC/OBCs?
  2. If “merit” was measured using some standards other than those that are used today, would the BC/OBCs be better off than what they are today?
  3. If we redifine”merit”, will that achieve a better representation of BC/OBCs in our Institutes?

The answer to all the above questions is No. No matter how you define merit, those classes that are not proportionately represented today, would not have been proportionately represented anyway. This is because it is not the definition of “merit” that is preventing them from becoming “meritorious”. It is the socio-sconomic condition that is preventing them to acquire the desired skills to be “meritorious”. The statement that Anybody given the right opportunity and circumstances can be come meritorious is very true. The whole idea behind reservations is to provide them the opportunity. Hence the idea that the current standards to measure merit are not good enough does not hold ground in the reservation debate.

So why are so many scholars/bloggers attacking the merit? I guess they are either doing so out of the urge to confuse the matters or they do not understand that there is no relationship between merit and the plight of the BC/OBCs.

What’s in a name? that which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet” - William Shakespeare

This is true even in the case of merit.

Merit if defined by any other criterion would be as difficult to achieve by the socially and economically backward classes.

The above statement doesn’t undermine anybody’s intelligence but underlines the fact that if someones socio economic conditions are such that they cannot achieve “this Merit” then it would be as difficult to achieve “That merit” as well. Arguments similar to “Myth Of Merit” do not help the cause of BC/OBCs.
Reservations is about proportional representation and providing opportunity and not redefining merit.

Reservation Issue Summarised in Pratab Bhanu Mehta’s Resignation

August 12, 2006 By: Polite Indian Category: Quota Reservations, Reservations, India 1 Comment →

I came accross this at Zoo Station. This is the letter of resignation from Pratap Bhanu Mehta, the member-convener of the National Knowledge Commission.

I write to resign as Member-Convener of the National Knowledge Commission. I believe the Commission’s mandate is extremely important, and I am deeply grateful that you gave me the opportunity to serve on it. But many of the recent announcements made by your government with respect to higher education lead me to the conclusion that my continuation on the commission will serve no useful purpose.

The Knowledge Commission was given an ambitious mandate to strengthen India’s knowledge potential at all levels. We had agreed that if all sections of Indian society were to participate in and make use of the knowledge economy, we would need a radical paradigm shift in the way we thought of the production, dissemination and use of knowledge. In some ways this paradigm shift would have to be at least as radical as the economic reforms you helped usher in more than a decade ago. The sense of intellectual excitement that the commission generated stemmed from the fact that it represented an opportunity to think boldly, honestly and with an eye to posterity. But the government’s recent decision (announced by Honorable Minister of Human Resource Development on the floor of Parliament) to extend quotas for OBCs in central institutions, the palliative measures the government is contemplating to defuse the resulting agitation, and the process employed to arrive at these measures are steps in the wrong direction. They violate four cardinal principles that institutions in a knowledge based society will have to follow: they are not based on assessment of effectiveness, they are incompatible with the freedom and diversity of institutions, they more thoroughly politicise the education process, and they inject an insidious poison that will harm the nation’s long-term interest.

These measures will not achieve social justice. I am as committed as anyone to two propositions. Every student must be enabled to realise his/her full potential regardless of financial or social circumstances. Achieving this aim requires radical forms of affirmative action. But the numerically mandated quotas your government is proposing are deeply disappointing, for the following reasons. First, these measures foreclose any possibility of more intelligent targeting that any sensible programme should require. For one thing, the historical claims of the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes and the nature of the deprivations they face are qualitatively of a different order than those faced by Other Backward Castes, at least in North India. It is plainly disingenuous to lump them together in the same narrative of social injustice and assume that the same instruments should apply to both. It is for this reason that I advocated status quo for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes until such time as better and more effective measures can be found to achieve affirmative action for them.

Some have proposed the inclusion of economic criterion: this is something of an improvement, but does not go far enough. What we needed, Honorable Prime Minister, was space to design more effective mechanisms of targeting groups that need to be targeted for affirmative action. For instance, there are a couple of well-designed deprivation indexes that do a much better job of targeting the relevant social deprivations and picking out merit. The government’s action is disappointing, because you have prematurely foreclosed these possibilities. In foreclosing these possibilities the government has revealed that it cares about tokenism more than social justice. It has sent the signal that there is no room for thinking about social justice in a new paradigm.

As a society we focus on reservations largely because it is a way of avoiding doing the things that really create access. Increasing the supply of good quality institutions at all levels (not to be confused with numerical increases), more robust scholarship and support programmes will go much further than numerically mandated quotas. When you assumed office, you had sketched out a vision of combining economic reform with social justice. Increased public investment is going to be central to creating access opportunities. It would be presumptuous for me to suggest where this increased public investment is going to come from, but there are ample possibilities: for instance, earmarking proceeds from genuine disinvestment for education will do far more for access than quotas. We are not doing enough to genuinely empower marginalised groups, but are offering condescending palliatives like quotas as substitute. All the measures currently under discussion are to defuse the agitation, not to lay the foundations for a vibrant education system. If I may borrow a phrase of Tom Paine’s, we pity the plumage, but forget the dying bird.

Second, the measures your government is contemplating violate the diversity principle. Why should all institutions in a country the size of India adopt the same admissions quotas? Is there no room at all for different institutions experimenting with different kinds of affirmative action policies that are most appropriate for their pedagogical mission? How will institutions feel empowered? How will creativity in social justice programmes be fostered, if we continue with a “one size fits all” approach? Could it not be that some state institutions follow numerically mandated quotas, while others are left free to devise their own programmes? The government’s announcement is deeply disappointing because it reinforces the cardinal weakness of the Indian system: all institutions have to be reduced to the same level.

Third, and related to diversity, is the question of freedom. As an academic I find it to be an appalling spectacle when a group of ministers is empowered to come up with admissions policies, seat formulas for institutions across the country. While institutions have responsibilities and are accountable to society, how will they ever achieve excellence and autonomy if basic decisions like who they should teach, what they should teach, how much they should charge are uniformly mandated by government diktat? As you know, more than anyone else, the bane of our education institutions is that politicians feel free to hoist any purpose they wish upon them: their favourite ideology, their preferred conception of social justice, their idea of representativeness, or their own men and women. Everything else germane to a healthy academic life and effective pedagogy becomes subordinate to these purposes. Concerned academics risked a good deal, battling the previous government’s instrumental use of educational institutions for ideological purposes. Though your objectives are different, your government is sending a similar message about our institutions: in the final analysis, they are playthings for politicians to mess around with. Nations are not built by specific programmes, they are built by healthy institutions, and the process by which your government is arriving at its decisions suggests contempt for the autonomy and integrity of academic life. Your government has reinforced the very paradigm of the state’s relations with educational institutions that has weakened us.

In this process, the arguments that have been coming from your government are plainly disingenuous. It is true that a constitutional amendment was hastily passed to overturn the effects of the Inamdar decision. At the time I had written that the decision was property rights decision that was trying to unshackle private institutions from an overbearing state. But since the state had already displaced its responsibilities to the private sector it decided that the ramifications of Inamdar would be too onerous and passed a constitutional amendment. One can quibble over whether this amendment was justified or not. But even in its present form it is only an enabling legislation. It does not require that every public institution has numerically mandated quotas for OBCs. To hear your government consistently hiding behind the pretext of the constitutional amendment is yet another example of how we are foreclosing the fine distinctions that any rigorous approach to access and excellence requires.

Finally, I believe that the proposed measures will harm the nation’s vital interests. It is often said that caste is a reality in India. I could not agree more. But your government is in the process of making caste the only reality in India. Instead of finding imaginative solutions to allow us to transcend our own despicable history of inequity, your government is ensuring that we remain entrapped in the caste paradigm. Except that now by talking of OBCs and SC/STs in the same narrative we are licensing new forms of inequity and arbitrariness.

The Knowledge Economy of the twenty-first century will require participation of all sections of society. When we deprive any single child, of any caste, of relevant opportunities, we mutilate ourselves as a society and diminish our own possibilities. But, as you understand more than most, globalisation requires us to think of old objectives in new paradigms: the market and competition for talent is global, institutions need to be more agile and nimble, and there has to be creativity and diversity of institutional forms if a society is to position itself to take advantage the Knowledge Economy. I believe that the measures your government is proposing will inhibit achieving both social justice and economic well-being.

I write this letter with a great deal of regret. In my colleagues on the Knowledge Commission you will find a group that is unrivalled in its dedication, commitment and creativity, and I hope you will back them in full measure so that they can accomplish their mission in other areas. I assure you that the commission’s functioning will suffer no logistical harm on account of my departure.

I recognise that in a democracy one has to respectfully accede to the decisions of elected representatives. But I also believe that democracies are ill-served if individuals do not frankly and publicly point out the perils that certain decisions may pose for posterity. I owe it to public reason to make my reasons for resigning public. I may be wrong in my judgment about the consequences of your government’s decisions, but at this juncture I cannot help concluding that what your government is proposing poses grave dangers for India as a nation. On this occasion I cannot help thinking about the anxieties of a man who knew a thing or two about constitutional values, who was more rooted in politics than any of us can hope to be, and who understood the distinction between statesmanship and mere politics: Jawaharlal Nehru. He wrote, “So these external props, as I may call them, the reservations of seats and the rest, may possibly be helpful occasionally, but they produce a false sense of political relation, a false sense of strength, and, ultimately therefore, they are not so nearly important as real educational, cultural and economic advance which gives them inner strength to face any difficulty or opponent.” Since your government continues to abet a politics of illusion, I cannot serve any useful purpose by continuing on the Knowledge Commission under such circumstances.

With warmest personal regards.

pratapbmehta@yahoo.co.in

Whatever points have been raised in the letter are so genuine that they cannot be ignored. I wish some wise guy breaks through the shackles of populist politics and looks at the real issue of social injustice. We need more voices like Pratab Mehta to get the message accross

The Flip Side Of Creamy Layer

August 09, 2006 By: Polite Indian Category: Quota Reservations, Reservations, India 8 Comments →

There are lot of people out there screaming to implement the creamy layer for the proposed quota bill. What that means that the OBCs belonging to creamy layer should not be considered eligible for quota benefits.
There are an equal number of people who claim that the creamy layer criteria should not be implemented. In fact it has been argued that excluding creamy layer will in fact “dilute” the quota bill. Their another argument is that the GC(General Category) candidates do not want the benefits to be extended to OBC candidates and hence they harp about the creamy layer argument.

Let us really examine this with some numbers and see who benefits and how.

The Current Situation Without Reservations.
As of now out of 100 seats 22 are for SC/ST and igonring other quotas, there 78 seats for the GC which includes the OBCs. This means GCs and OBCs will together compete for 78 seats.

Now Let us consider two cases, one with the creamy layer exclusion and one without the creamy layer exclusion.
I will make one assumption here that even without reservations there are at least 27% OBCs getting admitted in Educational Institutes and that most of them will fall into the creamy layer.

Case 1: Creamy Layer Not Included In The Quota Bill
Let us assume there are 100 seats and 22 are there for SC/ST and 27 for OBCs. That leaves 51 seats for the GC.
Now look at the 27 OBCs who were going to get admission anyway even without quota.

  1. If all these were from creamy layer then they will compete with the GC for 51 seats meaning now extra 27% students compete for 51 seats. This will hurt the GC more but will be in line with the philosophy of quota that a lot of other OBCs get admission to educational institutes which would have been neglected otherwise.
  2. If all these are from non creamy layer then the ratio of the students will be the same as before. Then what will be the benefit? The benefit will be to the OBC students so that they might be able to choose better discipline e.g. he could now get “Computer Engineering” instead of “Civil Engineering” if there was no quota. This may hurt the GC candidates a bit in a way that even though they make it to the desired institution, they might not get their desired field of study.
  3. The actual situation might be in between the two cases mentioned above.

Case 2: Creamy Layer Included In the Quota Bill:
Taking the same case of 100 seats let us see what happens now.
Loot at the 27 OBCs

  1. The 27 OBCs that were getting admitted will still get admitted but the difference will be that they will now be able to take better field of study in the same institution. This may hurt the GC candidate in a way that he might not get his desired field of study.
  2. These 27 OBCs would have gotten admitted anyway. Quota or no Quota. The only thing quota helped them achieve is to get better field of study. This system will not benefit any new OBCs or would not achieve the desired goal of admitting OBC students who would not have gotten admission otherwise.

If you compare the two cases, you will see that the first case hurts the GC candidate’s chances more than case 2 but most of the GC are still fighting to get Case 1 implemented because that will help attain the desired goal of providing more representation to the under privilged.

Now you can decide who is asking for the right thing. The OBCs asking for case 2 in my view are being selfish because they don’t want the truly underprivileged OBCs to be represented well in the educational institution.

If you do not agree on my assumption that at least 27% OBCs are already getting admitted to educational institutions. If that is an incorrect assumption then the quota for OBC will help the underprivilged as it is designed to.

Reservations - Are the politicians serious about welfare of the backward caste?

July 16, 2006 By: Polite Indian Category: Quota Reservations, Reservations, India No Comments →

Reservations and Indian Politicians

I would not like to get into the discussion whether reservation is good or bad for the Indian society but the question I would like to ask is…. Are the Indian politicains serious about the welfare of the backward caste?

In my opinion NO.

The situation would have been a lot different if they really had been serious in the last 59 years of indpendence. What they really care about is the votes. If they really care about the BCs then in addition to providing reservation in educational institutions and jobs they should also advocates reservations in the following areas as well.

  • Parliaments - 50% of the seats should be reserved for SC/ST/OBCs
  • Assemblies
  • Panchayats
  • Municipalities
  • Every other public body.

Representation of the backward castes in these places will definitely provide them the power and the means to uplift the community to which they belong.

Also analogous to the promotion of SC/ST/OBCs in the jobs, there should be 50% of ministries reserved for the backward castes. This will also ensure proper representation of BCs in the power holding positions.

But I see no politician advocating that. Why? Because it directly affects their power base. Their chances of coming back to power will be greatly reduced once this is implemented. All those politicians in my view are hypocrites. This idea has not been even mooted once! Maybe it has been but very quickly suppressed. Who knows!

I once again repeat, I do not know if reservations are good or bad but if the government decides that reservation is the means to uplift the backward caste then they should provide reservation in the political sphere as well.

Once the politicians implement these policies or at least talk about it openly only then I can get convinced about the sincerety of their effort. Untill then to me it is all a political gimmick to fool the common people.

Any Arjun Singhs voting for that?