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Is Islam violent?

October 03, 2006 By: Polite Indian Category: Islamic Violence, Islam & Violence, Islamo Facism, Islamofascism, Islam, Religion 72 Comments →

A couple of days ago I came accross this site(faithfreedom.org) that hates Islam. I had an email correspondence with Sujai about it and he came up with brilliant posts here and here and here. You might see even a few more in the series.

While Sujai has taken a broader perspective and a historical one, I want to focus on what the FaithFreedom guys are trying to do and see how it might be useless and even harmful.

The core of their message is …”Muhammed was not a man of good character…hence cannot be a prophet…hence Islam cannot be a religion”. The web site quotes different example from the Quran and the Hadiths to prove its point about Muhammed. Mr. Ali Sina has an open challenge on his website asking anyone to defeat him in a debate. The problem with that is it is difficult to defeat anyone in a debate if the judge is one of the debatees! And also it is one of those pointless topics to discuss anyway.
I agree that there are verses in the Quran that have violent overtones. One may ask how many? Well, there are 6236 verses in Quran and according to one website there are 337 verses with violent passages. The article has an excellent comparision of the violent passges in both bible and quran. Bible has 853 violent passages. Now does that make it more violent than Quran? If you do a percentage comparision then Bible has 2.74% violent passages and Quran has 5.4%. Now does that make quran more violent than Bible? In fact trying to find out answers like this is useless. As Sujai rightly says

The reasons why some of the Muslims of the present-day are violent are found elsewhere. Looking for answers in the nature of its founder, its religious text and nature of its history is futile and completely useless.

Now based on these Quranic verses Mr. Ali Sina wants to conclude that every muslim in the world is of violent nature and that comes from these verses in Quran? Now why does he assume that the Muslims will not follow the remaining 5899 verses of Quran but spend their entire life time following the 337 violent verses? Most christians have now neglected the 800+ violent passages in Bible and focus on the remaining. Similarly Most Muslims have accepted that the 300+ verses had relevance during those times but not today and not in future. Yet the entire world is hell bent upon painting the Muslims as violent.

Why? Because OBL(Osama Bin Laden) and the Ayatollahs rely on those 300+ verses to justify their acts? Because these verses are used to recruit new terrorists? How stupid is it to believe that the new recruits join only because of those verses and that they have no other grudge against their enemies? They don’t have anything Social, Politial or Economic agenda and they want to only implement these violent passages of the Quran? If the Quran is the sole guiding principle for them why don’t they follow the other 5899 verses? Also if they are so keen on following the Sharia then why don’t they heed to the fatwas issued against them? I have provided a link in my previous post to an article explaining why fatwas don’t work against madmen.

If Mohammed was a party to violent acts because he was living during war times, does that negate the Quran? If valmiki was a thief and thug does that negate the entire Ramayana?Going by Mr Sina’s logic Why should one believe anything that a thug writes?

Quran has violent verses and Ali Sina says that existence of even one violent verse negates the entire Quran? The same logic can be applied to bible and hence proved that Christianity is not a religion.

RamcharitaManas has a hideous verse

dhol gan-war shudra pashu nari, sakal tadan ke adhikari (drum, illiterate, Dalit, animal, women, all are fit only to be beaten)

Should the existence of this verse negate the entire RamCharitaManas?

The whole point of going through this is to point that you can find violent, inhuman and insane passages in almost any religious texts but honestly there is no point in dwelling on them. With passage of time they become irrelevant and people of the respective faith reject them.

What is happening with Islam and the reason it is getting all the attention is because the terrorists are using Islam (violent verses) to further a political/social and economic agenda. The solution to these problems lie in addressing these issues.

At the end I would like to clearly state that I do not condone violence in any form. I do not agree with the means adopted by the terrorists. The terrorists should be brought to justice. What I want to highlight is that while fighting the terrosists deriving their strength from violent passages in Quran, one should not fight their war by fighting Islam.

Treat the terrorists just the way they are … as terrorists. They should be brought to justice.
Treat their problems as they are … as political/economic. Try to find a solution.

Treat Islam as just that … another religion and leave it alone.

Treat muslims as fellow human beings capable of going through the same emotions that you go through and capable of the same compassion that you can exhibit towards fellow human beings.

Do not put the Muslims on the defensive. This seems to be becoming my favourite quote…As long as they are on the defensive, they cannot be on the offensive (against terrorism)

Peace!!!

Islam and the Non Muslims.

September 22, 2006 By: Polite Indian Category: Terrorism, Islam, Politics 30 Comments →

With the recent growth in terrorism and the terrorists claiming to be the flag bearers of the Islamic faith, a lot of questions are being raised about Islam as a religion. Vikas questions whether Islam is a peaceful religion. Confused asserts that Islam is not the real problem. And Nitin maintains that it is the state and not Islam per se and concludes that it is more of political issue than religious. There have been interesting comments on each of these posts. Though they all differ on what the problem is, they all acknowledge that there is a problem. Judging from the disagreements on issues it can be concluded that it is a fairly complex problem. But what is the problem?

In most simplistic terms the manifestation of the underlying problem is that, a bunch of madmen are blowing people and themselves up and while doing so claim that they have the religious authority to do so, and claim that the word of God is with them.

But why are they blowing people up? The answer to that is the real issue.
Is the issue religious? Do they want to convert the entire world to Islam? Or is it political? And religion is just a tool to achieve these political goals?

Let us take some places where terrorism is rampant.

  • Kashmir -Territorial Dispute (political)
  • Israel/Palestine - Territorial Dispute (political)
  • Chechnya - Struggle for Independence (Again Territorial Dispute)

In all the above examples one can observe that all these disputes are political but there is one thing common…The tool used to fight is religion.

But where do the likes of Osama Bin Laden (OBL) fit in? What about Afghanistan and Iraq? To understand OBL’s position one needs to understand his goals.

So what is it that bin Laden wants today? His basic argument is that Muslims in the Middle East are currently suffering from political, social and economic deprivation for the simple reason that their governments have not fully implemented shari’a, or Islamic law. Because their rulers have failed to do this, bin Laden no longer considers them to be truly Muslim.

This is an interesting observation. There is a fact that the Muslims in the Middle East are currently suffering from political, social and economic deprivation. If this the problem then what is the reason? The reason according to him is that their governments have not fully implemented shari’a, or Islamic law. Note here that the end goal is to end goal is to end political, social and economic deprivation and the means to achieve that is extablishment of a governments based on shari’a or the Islamic law.

What is OBL’s gripe against America? In his article What does Osama bin laden want, David plotz notes the following…

What is his particular grievance against the United States? According to CNN’s Peter Bergen, author of a forthcoming book on Bin Laden, Holy War, Inc., Bin Laden is most enraged by the American military presence in Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden was incensed when the Saudis invited U.S. troops to their defense after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. Bin Laden—like many Muslims—considers the continued presence of these armed infidels in Saudi Arabia the greatest possible desecration of the holy land.

So why does OBL rely on terrorism as a means to achieve his goals? The author further notes that

Bin Laden has strategic reasons to believe in terrorism, too. The Muslim victory over the Soviet Union in Afghanistan showed him that superpowers are not so superpowerful. And the ignominious American withdrawal from Somalia—following a Bin Laden connected attack—convinced him that the United States is morally weak. The U.S. soldier is “a paper tiger” who crumples after “a few blows.”

Now with his goal to cleanse the middle east he declared America as the enemy and declared a war. Now once the war is declared he is using Quranic verses written in times of war to justify all his acts.

The point of going through all this was to acknowledge Nitin’s point that it is more of a political issue that uses religion as a tool to achieve its objectives. I also agree with Confused that Islam is not the real problem.
Having identified the problem, how do you solve it? Obviously not an easy answer otherwise we would have done it by now. What makes it more difficult is the intertwining of religion with this issue. The first step in my view is to isolate the two (easier said than done. Right?).

At this point I would like to note that there is a vast majority of muslims that do not approve of OBL’s methodolgy of terrorism. These people fall into two categories. Moderates and Reformists. Moderates in my view are those who do not follow the extremist form of Islam. They go on living their lives having nothing to do with the likes of OBL. The reformists on the other hand are those who would come out in the open and oppose anything and everything that OBL does. They denounce terrorism. They acknowledge the problems in the Muslim society and are working towards changing it.

Why am I talking about these muslims? For everyone to acknowledge their existence and their importance! If we ignore such people and equate all muslilms to OBL, we end up attacking Islam. Once Islam is attacked these moderates and reformists, being believers, will take sides with other believers even if they are like OBL. So it is important not to attack Islam in this problem or we will end up losing muslim allies. The more Islam is attacked, the more it will turn into clash of the civilizations.

So now someone asked me, what do we do? We cannot attack Islam. We cannot say things against OBL that even have slightest religious undertones so what do we do? Sit like a duck and let them kill us? Hell no! Acknowledge that you are in a different kind of war with OBL and his gang. I repeat here , Isolate them within their religion. Of course being a non muslim, no one would believe what I say then what? I say, support the reformists. Do not isolate the moderates.

Acknowledge and respect their faith and believe them when they say Islam does not support violence against innocents. The usage of the slayer verse from quran that OBL used while asking muslims to attack American’s everywhere has been questioned and criticised by muslims. Take that explanation and run with it. Spread the word.

People ask why can’t muslilm cleric issue fatwas against terrorism. Beleive me they have! For every fatwa that OBL has issued there have been dozen other fatwas issued against him and terrorism. Aisha Eteraz has post explaining why fatwas don’t work against mad men. That post has a link to most of the fatwas issued against terrorism.
How come fatwas issued by OBL is known to everyone and these fatwas do not even get a mention? We need to fight this by media power. Unfortunately the media is only interested in ratings and would not take up this cause. But we have to keep pushing. We need to fight the propoganda war.

People also say why can’t muslims protest like civilised people if they don’t like something. Akram’s Razor tries to come with an explanation here. The important thing to note is how someone acts has something to do with his socio-economic and political condition.
We all must understand that finger pointing and name calling will not bring about any reform in any community, if that is the intention . It has to come from within the community. We can do our part by supporting them. If you have questions and doubts then talk to someone who knows about it. Here is an example.

Once the terrorists are stripped of their religious authority, it will be very difficult for them to recruit in the name of religion. Once their ranks start thinning down, it will be very easy to defeat them.

Islam and Muslims are going through a turbulent phase that every religion has gone through at some point in time. It is their turn now to reform. I would like to quote from this article by Abdul Hakim Murad.

One does not have to subscribe to determinist social theories to realise the importance of the almost universal condition of insecurity which Muslim societies are now experiencing. The Islamic world is passing through a most devastating period of transition. A history of economic and scientific change which in Europe took five hundred years, is, in the Muslim world, being squeezed into a couple of generations. For instance, only thirty-five years ago the capital of Saudi Arabia was a cluster of mud huts, as it had been for thousands of years. Today’s Riyadh is a hi-tech megacity of glass towers, Coke machines, and gliding Cadillacs. This is an extreme case, but to some extent the dislocations of modernity are common to every Muslim society, excepting, perhaps, a handful of the most remote tribal peoples.

Such a transition period, with its centrifugal forces which allow nothing to remain constant, makes human beings very insecure. They look around for something to hold onto, that will give them an identity. In our case, that something is usually Islam. And because they are being propelled into it by this psychic sense of insecurity, rather than by the more normal processes of conversion and faith, they lack some of the natural religious virtues, which are acquired by contact with a continuous tradition, and can never be learnt from a book.

The author goes on to conclude

At this critical moment in our history, the umma has only one realistic hope for survival, and that is to restore the ‘middle way’, defined by that sophisticated classical consensus which was worked out over painful centuries of debate and scholarship. That consensus alone has the demonstrable ability to provide a basis for unity. But it can only be retrieved when we improve the state of our hearts, and fill them with the Islamic virtues of affection, respect, tolerance and reconciliation. This inner reform, which is the traditional competence of Sufism, is a precondition for the restoration of unity in the Islamic movement. The alternative is likely to be continued, and agonising, failure.

What we (Non Muslims) should do is help/support the moderates and reformists and not attack them (by attacking Islam) and corner them. As somone rightly noted once, “As long as they are on the defensive, they cannot be on the offensive (against terrorism)”

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